we had a grand debate about president obama's blackberry. the most powerful country on earth was don't use your blackberry. there are a lot of intelligence services who are going to try to intercept it. >> schieffer: the germans seem to think that edward snowden should be brought back to this country, either that or taken to germany and given a chance to help investigate the national security agency. what is i didn't reaction? >> first of all i would welcome edward snowden being brought back to this country. but i know one german parliamentarian is suggesting that germany give mr. snowden a platform to reveal more american secrets. my view on that, that would kind of tend to moot the whole debate here about whether or not we're spying on a friend. >> schieffer: i take it you do not, i've asked this, if you thought he was a hero i believe you said you thought he was a if he tech for. >> yes. >> schieffer: do you think there has been harm not just our intelligence gathering but also our influence by these revelations? >> absolutely. look, i un